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Blakelaw underground bunker
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SimWidow
2005-08-28 21:55:34 UTC
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Before i left school and started work i was a member of Nelson s.c.c GNTC
( girls nautical training contingency), we where based at the underground
bunker in blakelaw wich was situated amongst the tower block flats, i've
done a google and all that is coming up is RAF blakelaw wich was actually
based on kenton lane, that place became the ministry of defence buildings
then the driving test center, all i want to know is does anyone have any
info on this place, is it still there or has it been filled in......this
place a soft spot for me because i spent many happy years there and met my
first love there, please, i would value any info..TIA...
--
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Steve E.
2005-08-29 07:13:36 UTC
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On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 21:55:34 GMT, "SimWidow"
Post by SimWidow
Before i left school and started work i was a member of Nelson s.c.c GNTC
( girls nautical training contingency), we where based at the underground
bunker in blakelaw wich was situated amongst the tower block flats, i've
done a google and all that is coming up is RAF blakelaw wich was actually
based on kenton lane, that place became the ministry of defence buildings
then the driving test center, all i want to know is does anyone have any
info on this place, is it still there or has it been filled in......this
place a soft spot for me because i spent many happy years there and met my
first love there, please, i would value any info..TIA...
--
Kerry,,xxx
Hi Kerry

I remember the place well - as a chld (1970's) we used to pass the
bunker site on our way to Montague Swimming Pool.

Some information @
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/projects/dob/deflin5/bunker.html

"My retirement from the RAF in 1993 gave me the time and the
opportunity to follow my nose to Kenton Bar, on the western outskirts
of Newcastle upon Tyne. I knew of the likely location of the HQ,
behind the wire of the so-called Government Offices now occupied by
the Benefits Agency of the DSS but my first efforts led me in a
different direction. A contact in a local history society was able to
tell me with some confidence of the exact location of Blakelaw Bunker.
Even more exciting was the news that the underground complex was
accessible and was in regular use as a Sea Cadet Corps Training Ship.
I arranged to visit TS Nelson on a training night.

This bunker (NZ 214669) is built in a quarry about half a mile from
the Government Offices and lies in the lee of two post-war high-rise
blocks of flats. It is in remarkably good condition, largely because
of the selfless work of the Committee of the Sea Cadet Unit who took
on the bunker from the City Council by whom it had been used as a
Civil Defence installation until the 70s. It is built on two floors
and access is obtained from a small brick hut on the surface. Most of
its original equipment has gone, including the contents of the plant
room which included ventilation and anti-gas equipment. The main
operations room, now the main deck of TS Nelson, seemed smaller than I
had expected, having visited the restored Operations Room of HQ 11
Group at Uxbridge some years ago"

Thuis from Brain Pears fantastic World War 2 resources site "North
East Diary 1939-45" @

http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Bck/BSeq_09.html

"The Operations Room of No 13 Group, Fighter Command was situated in a
bunker under government offices at Kenton Bar (NZ217674) and there was
an associated "Group Filter Room" in a separate bunker at Blakelaw
Quarry (NZ214669). The latter analysed radar plots and only passed on
those reports relating to "hostile" aircraft to Group. The Blakelaw
Quarry bunker, the entrance to which is now situated between two
high-rise blocks of flats, is currently used for Sea Cadet training
purposes and is designated "T.S. Nelson". The Kenton Bar bunker was
used for Civil Defence purposes in the 1950's and it is still in a
reasonable state of preservation. There is a possibility that it may
be taken over by the Imperial War Museum."

The RAF Bakelaw web site @ http://rafblakelaw.com/
also mentions the "Filter Room":

"Around the end of 1940, bunkers known as Group Filter Rooms were
built near each Group HQ bunker to filter out the important
information. So the site at Kenton Bar had a sister bunker built (of
different layout) at what are now the Blakelaw flats just off Blakelaw
Road. The Filter bunker now houses the local Sea Scouts and was
thought for many years to be the 13 Group HQ.

When the decision was taken to build the filter bunker, the area that
13 Group covered was reduced, and No 14 Group was formed at Inverness
to cover the area north of Montrose.

From September 1943 after it ceased to be No 13 Group HQ, the bunker
took over as Ouston Sector HQ and then Catterick Sector HQ as well. It
became known as North Eastern Sector Headquarters and remained so
until it closed down on 10 April 1946.

After the famous Yalta Conference (attended by Churchill, Stalin and
Roosevelt) in February 1945, the political and geographic map of
Europe was changed considerably. The Cold War had begun.

The bunker was used for civil defence meetings at this time in case of
Nuclear attack, though I doubt that it would have protected the
occupants completely"

Having looked at the Sea Cadet Web Site it appears that TS Nelson are
now based at HMS Callioppe on the Gateshead Quayside so it appears
they are no longer at Blakelaw.

It's years since I was down that way, so heaven knows if it still
remains, although IIRC there was some talk a few years ago about it
being up for sale. The story at that time surrounded the fact that
you could buy a Cold War Bunker!

Cheors

Steve E.










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Rainbow Chaser
2005-08-29 15:12:44 UTC
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Try this also

http://rafblakelaw.com/

R.C.
SimWidow
2005-08-29 17:39:32 UTC
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Post by Rainbow Chaser
Try this also
http://rafblakelaw.com/
R.C.
cheers to u both..xx
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Three Rivers Rambler
2005-08-30 12:04:01 UTC
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Was a bit wet down there last time I visited.

This site might help.

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/k/kenton_bar/index.html

Or nave your way there from the Home site at:

http://www.subbrit.org.uk

But don't mention the Government stategic reserve!
(of steam locomotives!!!)

Chimlas ahad

The THree Rivers Rambler.
Ps it's better to search for "Kenton Bar Bunker"
Steve E.
2005-08-30 15:06:35 UTC
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On 30 Aug 2005 05:04:01 -0700, "Three Rivers Rambler"
Post by Three Rivers Rambler
Was a bit wet down there last time I visited.
This site might help.
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/k/kenton_bar/index.html
http://www.subbrit.org.uk
But don't mention the Government stategic reserve!
(of steam locomotives!!!)
Chimlas ahad
The THree Rivers Rambler.
Ps it's better to search for "Kenton Bar Bunker"
Hi TRR

The Kenton Bunker and the "overspill" at Blakelaw (Montague) are
completely separate buildings.

I have hear "tales" about them being linked by a tunnel, but haven't
seen anything to suggest that to be true. Indeed there was someone on
one of the tours of the Victoria Tunnel recently who swore blind that
a lin between the said Victoria Tunnel was constructed to Kenton bar
during World War 2 - now I do know tha is rubbish!

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Brian Pears
2005-08-30 18:43:07 UTC
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Post by Steve E.
I have hear "tales" about them being linked by a tunnel, but haven't
seen anything to suggest that to be true. Indeed there was someone on
one of the tours of the Victoria Tunnel recently who swore blind that a
lin between the said Victoria Tunnel was constructed to Kenton bar
during World War 2 - now I do know tha is rubbish!
Steve

There are some folk obsessed with imaginary tunnels. There was a
chap on the NORTHUMBRIA list some years ago who swore there was
a tunnel from the old Newgate to HMP Newcastle in Carliol Square.
His "evidence" was laughable, but he twisted facts and
extrapolated way beyond the bounds of sanity and reached this
ludicrous conclusion which, to him, became fact.

No amount of argument - not least the slight inconvenience of
several sewers, two Metro tunnels and one Metro station
intersecting his route without anybody ever noticing his tunnel -
would shake his belief. I think both of the "tunnels" you
mention fall into the same category.

I suppose I'm prejudiced against legendary tunnels because of
a childhood experience. As a youngster I used to frequent
Gibside Estate, as did many of my mates - this was long before
the National Trust took it on. We explored all the old
buildings - much to the chagrin of the gamekeeper who patrolled
the place with his shotgun and whose one aim in life was to keep
us kids off "his" estate. If he saw us, bang went his shotgun
- shooting in the air, of course, but we ran off and told others
of our narrow escapes with 'bullets' whizzing past our ears.

But it was worth the risk as there was much to explore. The old
Gibside Hall had been a childhood holiday spot for our Queen Mum,
but it was last occupied in 1920 and the roof and floors had been
removed leaving just a crumbling shell with unexpected 50 foot
drops behind closed, but unlocked, doors - a dangerous place
without doubt. But in the basement, which was ground level at
the side, were some "dungeons" - actually stables, but why spoil
a good story - with chains, rings on the wall and heavy, barred
doors. We had such adventures there.

Then there was the Banqueting Hall high on a hill overlooking
the Octagonal Lake, magnificent even then - but in its heyday,
even more so as its walls had been covered from floor to ceiling
in mirrors. What a place - and now its fully restored as a
rather expensive but discreet weekend retreat where businessmen
take their secretaries for a spot of extra-curricular dictation.

Anyway, to get back to the topic, there was a legend of a
tunnel from the old hall to Friarside Chapel located one mile
to the SW. Of course it was nonsense as the chapel is pre
Conquest and the hall dates from 1760, but that hadn't
stopped the legend from taking hold. And while pottering
just outside the basement of the hall one day, we found a small
hole in a stone path which seemed to have an open space beneath
it - must be the tunnel, we thought. So we scraped away some
plaster and removed a stone to reveal a tunnel in all
its glory. Excitedly we ran home, grabbed torches, and
ran back; and two of us set out along the 'tunnel'. It headed
the correct way for about 15 yards then suddenly turned
and headed steeply downhill, far too steep to negotiate.
Looking up we saw something which, even to our 10 year-old
eyes, explained everything - it was the underside of a manhole
cover. We were in a sewer! Thank goodness the hall had been
unoccupied for 40 years. :-)
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Steve E.
2005-08-30 18:57:16 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
Steve
There are some folk obsessed with imaginary tunnels. There was a
chap on the NORTHUMBRIA list some years ago who swore there was
a tunnel from the old Newgate to HMP Newcastle in Carliol Square.
His "evidence" was laughable, but he twisted facts and
extrapolated way beyond the bounds of sanity and reached this
ludicrous conclusion which, to him, became fact.
SNIPPED

Hi Brian

I often say that judging from the number of stories about alleged
tunnels in the area we must be a region of moles!

I always counter by asking why would it be necessary to go to the
expense and effort of building a tunnel?

One's that I have heard of that spring to mind are:

1. A tunnel that is alleged to run from the Moot Hall to the Quayside.
Purpose of which was for convicted prisoners to be moved to the
waiting ships for transportation. I ask you! - and some folk even say
that they have been in this tunnel!!!
However you will know as well as I do that the distance between the
Moot Hall and the Quayside isn't great and I would imagine the geology
and topography to be such that a tunnel would be very difficult to
construct anyway. It also begs the question as to why anyone would
think that prisoners were actually transported from Newcastle.

2. A Tunnel that is alleged to link Benwell Hall with Denton Hall.
The purpose being so that priests could escape from one to the other.
If a tunnel does exist it must have been quite a construction for its
day and again you have to ask the question as to why go to that bother
and expense.

3. Of course tunnels that do exist under Newcastle are the Victoria
Tunnel and the small railway tunnel that linked Newcastle Central
Station with the Post Office at St Nicholas's. Both commercial
enterprises. There is also the "tunnel as St James's Park ;-)

Anyone else out there know of any tunnels under Newcastle?

Cheors

Steve E.

2.

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DaveG
2005-08-30 19:41:50 UTC
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Post by Steve E.
Anyone else out there know of any tunnels under Newcastle?
I believe there is one linking Central Station to Grays Monument. I can't
swear to it, but a reliable source reckons it's true.

Rumour has it that it extends all the way to Haymarket but I find that
stretches credulity a bit ;-)
--
Dave
Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder
Brian Pears
2005-08-30 20:23:24 UTC
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Post by Steve E.
Anyone else out there know of any tunnels under Newcastle?
Steve

Well there's the Hadrian Tunnel under the Tyne just east of
the Tyne Bridge. It carries certain telecommunications links
between the exchanges on Melbourne Street, Newcastle and at
the bottom of Gateshead's High Street. This was quite hush-hush
when it was dug circa 1968/69 - maybe it still is.
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Rainbow Chaser
2005-08-30 21:08:31 UTC
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Hadrian Tunnel is the one in Carliol Square, the site of the old prison.

But as you partially correctly said it runs from the Hadrian Telephone
Switching Centre on Melbourne Street to Telephone House in Carliol Square,
it was built by Post Office Telephones (now BT) to link the 2 buildings when
Hadrian opened in the late 60's.

It was easily big enough to walk through, but I don't know how tightly it's
packed now, probably not very as all those copper/aluminum cables have
probably been replaced by a couple of fibres.

I think the only reason it was Hush Hush was that in the 60's no body told
you anything. If you did any Telecomms courses at Charles Trevelyan Tech.
(Newcastle College) the lecturer George Rowell would tell you all about it,
he was very proud of working on it.

I've never heard of a tunnel to the Tynegate exchange in Gateshead, I think
the cables just run in the deck of the Tyne Bridge.

(I'm using 1960's names here, I've been out of the comms game for 30 years)

R.C.
Post by Brian Pears
Post by Steve E.
Anyone else out there know of any tunnels under Newcastle?
Steve
Well there's the Hadrian Tunnel under the Tyne just east of
the Tyne Bridge. It carries certain telecommunications links
between the exchanges on Melbourne Street, Newcastle and at
the bottom of Gateshead's High Street. This was quite hush-hush
when it was dug circa 1968/69 - maybe it still is.
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Brian Pears
2005-08-30 23:23:59 UTC
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Post by Rainbow Chaser
I've never heard of a tunnel to the Tynegate exchange in Gateshead, I
think the cables just run in the deck of the Tyne Bridge.
(I'm using 1960's names here, I've been out of the comms game for 30 years)
I knew a chap who worked on it and had to give it up because of
health problems from working in a compressed atmosphere. He
referred to it as the Hadrian Tunnel, said it went under the
Tyne east of Tyne Bridge and said it connected an emergency
exchange under the Melbourne Street exchange with a similar
exchange under Gateshead exchange. Could it be a later extension
of the one you refer to? Or was he talking through his ****?
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Rainbow Chaser
2005-09-01 21:17:19 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
I knew a chap who worked on it and had to give it up because of
health problems from working in a compressed atmosphere. He
referred to it as the Hadrian Tunnel, said it went under the
Tyne east of Tyne Bridge and said it connected an emergency
exchange under the Melbourne Street exchange with a similar
exchange under Gateshead exchange. Could it be a later extension
of the one you refer to? Or was he talking through his ****?
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
I left in 1978 and I'm pretty sure there was no tunnel to Gateshead from
Telephone House, only the Hadrian Tunnel , to the Hadrian TSC.

If you had a tunnel to Gateshead under the river it would need to be very
steep, just think of the Metro to Gateshead it runs underground but still
uses a bridge to cross the river.

I'd be surprised if the tunnel was pressurised when it was build it is not
that deep, at the Telephone House end it runs from the cable chamber, which
is just below ground floor level & if I remember did not have much of a
drop.

R.C.
Steve E.
2005-08-30 21:48:16 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
Post by Steve E.
Anyone else out there know of any tunnels under Newcastle?
Steve
Well there's the Hadrian Tunnel under the Tyne just east of
the Tyne Bridge. It carries certain telecommunications links
between the exchanges on Melbourne Street, Newcastle and at
the bottom of Gateshead's High Street. This was quite hush-hush
when it was dug circa 1968/69 - maybe it still is.
Hi Brian

Yes I've seen you mention this tunnel before.

A quick check via www.google.co.uk pulls up this piece from the
Newcastle City Council Development Control site @
http://tinyurl.com/c9kls

"Re use of Tunnel under New Bridge Street

Use of a former access tunnel, which ran under new bridge street from
where the Manors Metro Station is now located to outside where one of
the restaurant units is located to the existing Manors development.
Whilst again on the face of it a potentially attractive option and on
a more obvious desire line, the tunnel is unfortunately 6 metres below
ground level at both sides and would require a ramp 100 -150 metres
long to achieve level access"

Now I wonder what that tunnel was used for?

Cheors

Steve E.

Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
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Rainbow Chaser
2005-09-01 21:24:37 UTC
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Post by Steve E.
"Re use of Tunnel under New Bridge Street
Use of a former access tunnel, which ran under new bridge street from
where the Manors Metro Station is now located to outside where one of
the restaurant units is located to the existing Manors development.
Whilst again on the face of it a potentially attractive option and on
a more obvious desire line, the tunnel is unfortunately 6 metres below
ground level at both sides and would require a ramp 100 -150 metres
long to achieve level access"
Now I wonder what that tunnel was used for?
Cheors
Steve E.
Could it be a remanent from the Blyth & Tyne railway, which I think moved
from one side of New Bridge Street to the other over the years, then
eventually joined up with the NER at Manors? or even the old Manors goods
station previously on the Warner cinema site??

R.C.
Post by Steve E.
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Jim Scott
2005-08-30 22:13:07 UTC
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:57:16 GMT, Steve E. wrote:

Here is a letter passed on to me a while ago.
It is perfectly serious and came with a name and email address which I have
removed. I leave you to judge.
--------------------------------------------------------------------


My name is **** **** and I live in Newcastle upon Tyne. I am a dowser
and have long had an interest in history both local and world. I am
tracking by dowsing what I believe to be a rather large network of
“secret” underground communications tunnels which appear to stem from
Tynemouth Priory and lead out in several directions. I believe that one
tunnel leads from the Priory to Hexham Abbey and possibly beyond to the
west, a distance of some 28 miles.

I have tracked sections of this particular tunnel at least six miles
from Newcastle to West Denton Hall. I have also found evidence along the
surmised route which indicates its’ presence near the Coast Road. It goes
across Station Road a mere 100 yards from the Coast Road and then heads
across to the SE through the garage which adjoins the Coast Road some way
past the Rising Sun public House. It heads in the direction of the ruins
of Holy Cross church where I have also found the “tunnel” on a reciprocal
compass bearing heading into the church and through it towards North
Shields where I believe it goes to Christ Church. Dowsing there I found
that there are several junctions emanating from the church. One to the
NW, one to the SE and one to the SW. The SW one heads down to the Ferry
Landing where it points toward St Hilda’s Church in South Shields. I have
investigated (Dowsed) there and found a tunnel leading into and out of St
Hilda’s and it is on a reciprocal compass bearing to the one across the
river (It points toward North Shields Ferry Landing).

I have dowsed and tracked many other so-called tunnel “legends” in the
surrounding area over the last five years and I am convinced of the truth
of the existence of these tunnels. I have found documentary evidence
which points to their existence and corroborates what I have discovered in
several locations. Another tunnel appears to lead from Seaton Delaval Hall
which I have tracked for distance along its’ route. A “legend” which I
have subsequently heard states that the tunnel leads through Holywell
Manor, the “Abbots house” there,
Briardene, the Monkseaton Arms, Cullercoats and then to Tynemouth Priory.
I have tracked a “tunnel” through the Manor House which heads N-S and NE
and picked it up at Crow Hall Farm which is ancient and POSSIBLY a site
belonging to the Priory at one time as are many other sites which I am
going through and finding such tunnels. This heads to Briardene Farm and
farther. This took some considerable time to walk and dowse and I intend
to follow
it farther when time permits.

Tynemouth Priory has popped into the equation so many times whilst I
have been researching and dowsing these tunnel systems that I am convinced
that it was they who instigated the construction of many of these tunnels
(Not all, as some appear to have been built by the “Landed Gentry”. Their
Halls and Grand Houses are “connected” to these “religious” type tunnels
which makes me consider the fact that they formed part of a “safe house”
network in times of persecution and danger). I believe that the vast
majority of these “secret” tunnels were originally built purely for
communications between the copious properties owned by the BENEDICTINES
but later used to escape in times when to be a Roman Catholic was treason
and death. These times would include Henry VIII and the Dissolution of
the Monasteries, his daughter Elizabeth I (Particularly then as Elizabeth
burned many Roman Catholics to death and
priests in England became more and more rare). These tunnels are “5” of
my paces wide, roughly seven feet. They also lead into and OUT OF, many
stables attached to properties with tunnels, which leads me to believe
that horses were taken down into the tunnels for transport and carriage
purposes. The long distances in some cases also suggest that horses were
used.

As you appear to have a good interest in the area’s history, I wonder if
you have any evidence whatsoever, even so-called “legend”, which would
perhaps support my theories. I have entered some of these tunnels and have
also found several sealed-up tunnels in some “strange” places”.
Consequently, I KNOW several things. One, that I AM dowsing “tunnels”, two
that these tunnels do indeed exist and three, that I am very accurate in
my “5” width dowsing measurement as I have measured found tunnels and
they correspond with this measurement. I am willing to share more of this
information if you are able to assist me in my researches. I look forward
to a positive response.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As my friend's grandfather was heard to say "Thu sae that Jinglin'
Geordie's Hole gan's aal thu wae ti Hexam, bur aah divvent buleev it!"
--
Jim
Tyneside UK
Brian Pears
2005-08-30 23:23:59 UTC
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Post by Jim Scott
Here is a letter passed on to me a while ago.
It is perfectly serious and came with a name and email address which I
have removed. I leave you to judge.
I bet that's the chap who claimed to have found the Newgate to
Carliol Square tunnel.
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Steve E.
2005-08-31 14:46:05 UTC
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Post by Jim Scott
Here is a letter passed on to me a while ago.
It is perfectly serious and came with a name and email address which I have
removed. I leave you to judge.
--------------------------------------------------------------------
My name is **** **** and I live in Newcastle upon Tyne. I am a dowser
and have long had an interest in history both local and world. I am
tracking by dowsing what I believe to be a rather large network of
´secret¡ underground communications tunnels which appear to stem from
Tynemouth Priory and lead out in several directions. I believe that one
tunnel leads from the Priory to Hexham Abbey and possibly beyond to the
west, a distance of some 28 miles.
Oh dear, call me Mr Cynic, but why oh why would there be a tunnel
running all of those miles - not the sort of thing you could possibly
keep "secret" - 28 miles, give me strength.
Post by Jim Scott
I have tracked sections of this particular tunnel at least six miles
from Newcastle to West Denton Hall. I have also found evidence along the
surmised route which indicates itsÿ presence near the Coast Road. It goes
across Station Road a mere 100 yards from the Coast Road and then heads
across to the SE through the garage which adjoins the Coast Road some way
past the Rising Sun public House. It heads in the direction of the ruins
of Holy Cross church where I have also found the ´tunnel¡ on a reciprocal
compass bearing heading into the church and through it towards North
Shields where I believe it goes to Christ Church. Dowsing there I found
that there are several junctions emanating from the church. One to the
NW, one to the SE and one to the SW. The SW one heads down to the Ferry
Landing where it points toward St Hildaÿs Church in South Shields. I have
investigated (Dowsed) there and found a tunnel leading into and out of St
Hildaÿs and it is on a reciprocal compass bearing to the one across the
river (It points toward North Shields Ferry Landing).
Jim, I'm sure if there was a "short cut" inder the ground from Christ
Church to the Ferry Landing you would know soemthing about it!

With a tunnel allegedly running along the Coast Road, through Shields
etc, I would have thought that with all of the construction work that
has gone on over the year it would have been discovered by now.
Post by Jim Scott
I have dowsed and tracked many other so-called tunnel ´legends¡ in the
surrounding area over the last five years and I am convinced of the truth
of the existence of these tunnels. I have found documentary evidence
which points to their existence and corroborates what I have discovered in
several locations. Another tunnel appears to lead from Seaton Delaval Hall
which I have tracked for distance along itsÿ route. A ´legend¡ which I
have subsequently heard states that the tunnel leads through Holywell
Manor, the ´Abbots house¡ there,
The Delaval "Tunnel" is a bit of an urban myth - what it was in
reality was a walkway with a roof that the good Lord at the time had
built to keep him dry when visiting his various factories in the
Sluice.
Post by Jim Scott
Briardene, the Monkseaton Arms, Cullercoats and then to Tynemouth Priory.
I have tracked a ´tunnel¡ through the Manor House which heads N-S and NE
and picked it up at Crow Hall Farm which is ancient and POSSIBLY a site
belonging to the Priory at one time as are many other sites which I am
going through and finding such tunnels. This heads to Briardene Farm and
farther. This took some considerable time to walk and dowse and I intend
to follow
it farther when time permits.
Why, oh why would it go to the Monkseaton Arms - perhaps the weary
subterranena traveller would stop off here for a pint?

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Post by Jim Scott
As my friend's grandfather was heard to say "Thu sae that Jinglin'
Geordie's Hole gan's aal thu wae ti Hexam, bur aah divvent buleev it!"
It makes me wonder if this guy is simply picking up some sort of
"signal" from the umpteen coal seams that must tunnel there way under
the area?

I just cannot beleve that there can be so many tunnels and cannot get
my head around why they would be needed. Plus with all of the work
that would have gone into them and the spoils that would be required
to be removed I just cannot think you could keep something like that
secret. As I have said, surely over the centuries the tunnels would
have been broken into under construction of buildings etc.

Yet to be convinced of Whitley Bay <BG>.

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
phil henry
2005-08-31 18:25:10 UTC
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<***@steve-ellwood.org.uk> wrote:
[..]
Post by Steve E.
I often say that judging from the number of stories about alleged
tunnels in the area we must be a region of moles!
Whay happened to the tunnels used by electric traction engines
for quayside purposes ? It surfaced for a brief stretch at Shieldfield
next to to the ECML opposite St Dominics Church.

Were there any wagonways under the town that were converted
to sewers ? I remember a large hole appeared in Grainger St opposite
St John's church,
Steve E.
2005-09-01 15:49:33 UTC
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:25:10 +0100, phil henry
Post by Jim Scott
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:57:16 GMT, Steve E.
[..]
Post by Steve E.
I often say that judging from the number of stories about alleged
tunnels in the area we must be a region of moles!
Whay happened to the tunnels used by electric traction engines
for quayside purposes ? It surfaced for a brief stretch at Shieldfield
next to to the ECML opposite St Dominics Church.
Were there any wagonways under the town that were converted
to sewers ? I remember a large hole appeared in Grainger St opposite
St John's church,
Hi Phil

1. The Quayside Branch Railway did indeed have a tunnel which remains
to this day, more or less running between Battlefields and the Lower
Ouseburn Valley. It ran from sidings at Manors Goods
Station/Trafalgar Street and ended at the Hamburg Wharf on the
Newcastle Quayside.

The tunnel remains there today but is inaccessible having been closed
up in about 1969.

The railway opened in 1st June 1870 and closed 16th June 1969.
Evidently plans were made to construct the railway in 1845 but owing
to the 1 in 30 gradient, there were no trains at that time which could
cope with the "hill".

An interesting story is that fact that the architect made a mammoth
mistake when he designed the tunnel. the amazing mistake was that
both ends of the tunnel faced westwards and as a consequence there was
no draft to clear the tunnel of the smoke from the steam engines.
Such was the internal pollution that drivers of the trains had to
stick their shovels out of the cab to hit the wall to decide the speed
of the train.

The steam trains were subsequently changed to those powered by
electric. Two electric locomotives being introduced in 1904. From
what I understand one of these is still in existence and may well be
on display at the Stephenson Railway Museum at Silverlink.

2. The Victoria Tunnel is the coal wagonway that you mention and yes
it is still in existence. This tunnel runs from Spital Tongues to the
Tyne at the mouth of the Ouseburn. Part of it has been used as an
interceptor (overflow) sewer to the Pandon Sewer.

The Victoria Tunnel was built to transport coal from Spital Tongues
Colliery to staithes on the Tyne for loading into ships.

The colliery was opened in 1835 and plans to build a waggonway across
the Town Moor and through Jesmond to the river were turned down by
Newcastle Corporation. A new plan was devised which involved building
a tunnel that was started on 27th June 1839 and completed in January
1842. It was formally opened on 7 April 1842.

The two-mile tunnel was driven through clay and was constructed with a
brick arched roof and a stone lower sidewall. The tunneling was
directed by a former Yorkshire miner called John Cherry and the brick
and stonework was by a local builder David Nixon of Prudhoe Street,
Newcastle. Its height varied from about 6ft to 7ft 8ins and is 6ft
3ins wide. The deepest point below the surface is 85ft.

The coal trucks descended a vertical drop of 222ft by gravity and
after they were emptied they were hauled back up to the colliery by a
stationary engine.

The colliery was not a success and closed by 1860. The tunnel was only
used for about eighteen years.

During the Second World War much of the tunnel was opened as a public
air raid shelter.

In 1939 seven entrances were created including those at the Hanock
Museum, St Thomas’ churchyard, Shieldfield Green, Crawhall Road and
Ouse Street. The entrances at the Hancock Museum and at Ouse Street
are the only ones still in existence.

The tunnel north of the Hancock Museum has collapsed and only exists
for a short distance to below St Thomas’ churchyard. South of that
point the line of the tunnel has been lined and used as a sewer. It is
also intersected by the Metro system. The longest surviving section
lies between Ouse Street, near the original exit and a point a bit
further north than St Dominic’s Church.

Currently, easiest access is via the original air raid shelter
entrance in Ouse Street that has been renovated and secured by the
Ouseburn Partnership. The entrance slopes down until the original
tunnel is reached. To be left it is about twenty yards to the end of
the tunnel. There is a manhole access to Ouse Street but access to the
tunnel this way is secured by a barred gate.

To the right the tunnel slopes gently upwards to a point where the air
raid entrance at Crawhall Road was situated. The entrance at the
surface is just below the pavement outside Blackfriars Hall, St
Dominics.

Originally the air raid shelter was fitted with side bench seating and
electric lighting. There is still evidence brackets and wiring on the
wall. Blast walls were also constructed in case of a direct bomb hit.

If anyone wants to see some photographs of the Victoria Tunnel, both
the Claremont Road and Ouse Street sections, aim your browser at the
following:

http://www.fototime.com/inv/50831D6B1F0D8F7

If anyone would like to have a tour of the Tunnel, then please contact
me by e:mail

Cheors

Steve E.



Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Brian Pears
2005-09-01 16:26:29 UTC
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Post by Steve E.
The tunnel north of the Hancock Museum has collapsed and only exists
for a short distance to below St Thomas’ churchyard.
Steve

When did it collapse? In 1977 I walked from the Hancock Museum
manhole to a manhole beside the motorway quite a way to the north.
I thought it collapsed up near Hunters Road.

Cheers, Brian
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Steve E.
2005-09-01 16:37:52 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
Post by Steve E.
The tunnel north of the Hancock Museum has collapsed and only exists
for a short distance to below St Thomas’ churchyard.
Steve
When did it collapse? In 1977 I walked from the Hancock Museum
manhole to a manhole beside the motorway quite a way to the north.
I thought it collapsed up near Hunters Road.
Cheers, Brian
Hi Brian

I should have read the message before I posted it - it was from an
"OLD" e:mail that I had written.

I was in that section last year and can confirm that indeed the
section you mention is still intact,. Indeed there is a chain of
thought at the moment that perhaps the tunnel is complete from Hunters
Road right down to Ouse Street, albeit it used as an overflow sewer in
places.

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Brian Pears
2005-09-01 17:46:42 UTC
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I was in that section last year and can confirm that indeed the section
you mention is still intact,. Indeed there is a chain of thought at the
moment that perhaps the tunnel is complete from Hunters Road right down
to Ouse Street, albeit it used as an overflow sewer in places.
Steve

I believe that it is intact apart from a section under the
Civic Centre which was destroyed by the foundation excavations.

Cheers, Brian
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Steve E.
2005-09-01 19:18:32 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
I was in that section last year and can confirm that indeed the section
you mention is still intact,. Indeed there is a chain of thought at the
moment that perhaps the tunnel is complete from Hunters Road right down
to Ouse Street, albeit it used as an overflow sewer in places.
Steve
I believe that it is intact apart from a section under the
Civic Centre which was destroyed by the foundation excavations.
Cheers, Brian
Hi Brian

Hmm, not my understanding.

Certainly the commencement of the overflow commences just after the
Hancock Museum entrance - photograph @
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and continues on way past the Barras Bridge Entrance which I have also
been to - Loading Image...

By the way, the concrete rings were installed in 1975 when it was
recognised that the proposed Metro Tunnel would come within 2 feet
below the Victoria Tunnels floor!

Anyway, getting back to the plot - the Victoria Tunnel acts at that
point as an overflow to the Pandon Burn Sewer which runs between the
Royal Victoria Infirmary and Manors. When I say "overflow" that means
the drainage of nothing more than surface water and not human waste!
My understanding is that the Victoria Tunnel acts as this overflow
from at least Victoria Street to Ellison Place where there is a
connection to the main Pandon Burn Sewer.
At one stage the authorities wanted to use the full length of the
Tunnel to take a sewer down to the Quayside. The idea that sewerage
would be pumped from the Quayside to an Interceptor.
(Source for much of the above comes from a City Engineers Report of
8th September 1976).

Looking at a route plan of the Victoria Tunnel against a modern day
map it does come perilously close to the South Eastern corner of the
Civic Centre but certainly appears to be within the boundary of the
land between the Civic Centre and St Thomas's Church. Perhaps we
should invite the guy who dowses for tunnels to see if he can pick the
line up <G>.

Regards

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Skype me at: steve_ellwood
Brian Pears
2005-09-01 19:57:00 UTC
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Looking at a route plan of the Victoria Tunnel against a modern day map
it does come perilously close to the South Eastern corner of the Civic
Centre but certainly appears to be within the boundary of the land
between the Civic Centre and St Thomas's Church. Perhaps we should
invite the guy who dowses for tunnels to see if he can pick the line up
I would like to think it was intact as that would open up the
possibility of a future project to open up the whole thing
in all its WW2 glory - a museum, no less, with Wardens etc
and all the sounds and smells (chemical toilets) of the era.
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Palindrome
2005-09-01 16:45:06 UTC
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That was fascinating, Steve! Nice piccys, too :))



Palindrome
Steve E.
2005-09-01 16:52:45 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:45:06 +0100, Palindrome
Post by Palindrome
That was fascinating, Steve! Nice piccys, too :))
Palindrome
Hi Palindrome

At least it was based on "fact" and not theories that exist for other
tunnels <BG>.

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Palindrome
2005-09-01 17:30:44 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 16:52:45 GMT, Steve E.
Post by Steve E.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 17:45:06 +0100, Palindrome
Post by Palindrome
That was fascinating, Steve! Nice piccys, too :))
Palindrome
Hi Palindrome
At least it was based on "fact" and not theories that exist for other
tunnels <BG>.
Yes, a definite added bonus, considering the near-urban myths around
these days :)


Palindrome
phil henry
2005-09-01 18:19:07 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:49:33 GMT, Steve E.
<***@steve-ellwood.org.uk> wrote:

[..]
Post by Steve E.
The steam trains were subsequently changed to those powered by
electric. Two electric locomotives being introduced in 1904. From
what I understand one of these is still in existence and may well be
on display at the Stephenson Railway Museum at Silverlink.
I saw one of the locomotives in the NRM at York some years ago.
Very distinctive cigarette packet tank (anyone make on of those ?)
appearance. The side elevation was triangular (roughly) with front
and back sloping.
Steve E.
2005-09-01 18:46:05 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:19:07 +0100, phil henry
Post by phil henry
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:49:33 GMT, Steve E.
[..]
Post by Steve E.
The steam trains were subsequently changed to those powered by
electric. Two electric locomotives being introduced in 1904. From
what I understand one of these is still in existence and may well be
on display at the Stephenson Railway Museum at Silverlink.
I saw one of the locomotives in the NRM at York some years ago.
Very distinctive cigarette packet tank (anyone make on of those ?)
appearance. The side elevation was triangular (roughly) with front
and back sloping.
Hi Phil

There is a photograph and piece @

http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gsgleaves/tyneo.htm

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Skype me at: steve_ellwood
phil henry
2005-09-03 08:42:13 UTC
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:46:05 GMT, Steve E.
Post by Steve E.
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:19:07 +0100, phil henry
Post by phil henry
On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:49:33 GMT, Steve E.
[..]
Post by Steve E.
The steam trains were subsequently changed to those powered by
electric. Two electric locomotives being introduced in 1904. From
what I understand one of these is still in existence and may well be
on display at the Stephenson Railway Museum at Silverlink.
I saw one of the locomotives in the NRM at York some years ago.
Very distinctive cigarette packet tank (anyone make on of those ?)
appearance. The side elevation was triangular (roughly) with front
and back sloping.
Hi Phil
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~gsgleaves/tyneo.htm
Thanks for that Steve.
kelly breen
2005-10-30 22:56:01 UTC
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i lived in cowgate all my lifeuntill recently the bunker is still there i
used to go to sea cadets there in the early 90s allso the tunnel is across
the road under the hill i know this because my younger brother and his mates
found an entrance to it .it leads to kenton bank foot it was on the news a
week ago because inside the tunnel is a post ww2 raf base and wimpy homes
are buying the site and want to build over it. i hope this bit of info
helps regards kel

ACT
2005-08-30 22:04:17 UTC
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Post by Brian Pears
I suppose I'm prejudiced against legendary tunnels because of
a childhood experience. As a youngster I used to frequent
Gibside Estate, as did many of my mates - this was long before
the National Trust took it on. We explored all the old
buildings - much to the chagrin of the gamekeeper who patrolled
the place with his shotgun and whose one aim in life was to keep
us kids off "his" estate. If he saw us, bang went his shotgun
- shooting in the air, of course, but we ran off and told others
of our narrow escapes with 'bullets' whizzing past our ears.
Brian
Wonder if it was 'your gamekeeper' who inflicted the damage to the sun
dial above the entrance to Gibside Hall?
On second thoughts, I doubt it. The gunshot marks, if that's what they
are, look fairly recent and were probably made by a rifle rather than a
shotgun.
Photo here:
http://www.monkchester.co.uk/gibside_15.htm
--
Regards
Chris
http://www.monkchester.co.uk
Brian Pears
2005-08-30 23:34:02 UTC
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Post by ACT
Wonder if it was 'your gamekeeper' who inflicted the damage to the sun
dial above the entrance to Gibside Hall?
On second thoughts, I doubt it. The gunshot marks, if that's what they
are, look fairly recent and were probably made by a rifle rather than a
shotgun.
http://www.monkchester.co.uk/gibside_15.htm
I doubt it was the gamekeeper. His family (Cheeseman?) had
been there for generations and he really took his job of
looking after the place very seriously.
--
Brian Pears
Gateshead, UK
Steve E.
2005-08-31 14:34:53 UTC
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Post by ACT
Brian
Wonder if it was 'your gamekeeper' who inflicted the damage to the sun
dial above the entrance to Gibside Hall?
On second thoughts, I doubt it. The gunshot marks, if that's what they
are, look fairly recent and were probably made by a rifle rather than a
shotgun.
http://www.monkchester.co.uk/gibside_15.htm
Hi Chris

Certainly looks to be something a lot larger than shot ;-)

Appears to me to be bullet holes - Reminds me of the graves in Jesmond
Old Cemetery that were strafed by the Luftwaffe in World War 2 ;-)

Cheors

Steve E.
Whitley Bay, North East England
Tyneside & Northumberland Local History Group at:
www.smartgroups.com/groups/tyneside
For photographs of the Newcastle Upon Tyne area go to:
www.steve-ellwood.org.uk
www.geordies.force9.co.uk
"Geordie goes beyond mere geography and is a quality of heart"
Three Rivers Rambler
2005-08-30 21:46:07 UTC
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Ta for putting me right.

TRR
Livewire
2005-08-30 15:24:11 UTC
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Post by SimWidow
Before i left school and started work i was a member of Nelson s.c.c GNTC
( girls nautical training contingency), we where based at the underground
bunker in blakelaw wich was situated amongst the tower block flats, i've
done a google and all that is coming up is RAF blakelaw wich was actually
based on kenton lane, that place became the ministry of defence buildings
then the driving test center, all i want to know is does anyone have any
info on this place, is it still there or has it been filled in......this
place a soft spot for me because i spent many happy years there and met my
first love there, please, i would value any info..TIA...
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The old driving test site is just about to be developed for housing.

The bunker is still on it and is a listed building, so the developers
have to leave it alone and might even renovate it.

At the moment the old buildings on the site have been knocked sown so
you can see the raised and grassed top of the bunker from the main A696.
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